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PostSubject: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:40 pm



Stannis (Stephen Dillane) confronts a troubling decision. Jon (Kit Harington) returns to The Wall. Mace (Roger Ashton-Griffiths) visits the Iron Bank. Arya (Maisie Williams) encounters someone from her past. Dany (Emilia Clarke) reluctantly oversees a traditional celebration of athleticism.
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PostSubject: Re: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:06 pm

This was a pretty dark episode, Shireen gets sacrificed, which hasn't happened yet in the books, but an interview with the showrunner's said that GRRM told them it will happen in the next book. I guess we know without a doubt that Stannis is a badguy now. I really liked the Dorne scenes, also Arya's was pretty good. Jaqen knew she was lying, I expect Ser Meryn to die next week. The end with Dany was sweet! I always assumed Hizdahr was the Harpy( Especially in the book) but I guess he isn't they stabbed him pretty good! I am looking forward/dreading next weeks finale.



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PostSubject: Re: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:15 pm

Warning: This post contains a major spoiler about tonight’s Game of Thrones: “The Dance of Dragons”

This may have been the darkest hour yet on Game of Thrones. Sunday’s episode of HBO’s fantasy hit concluded with a murder so disturbing and stomach twisting, it’s arguably one of the most horrifying sequences yet by the international sensation that’s made an artful blood sport of shocking its fans.

Midway through Sunday’s episode “The Dance of Dragons,” Stannis Baratheon, his military campaign failing as his troops froze in the snow, sacrificed his daughter Shireen in a last-ditch effort to change his fate. At the urging of his mistress, Stannis ordered the young teen burned alive. Shireen’s walk to the funeral pyre, her dawning realization of what was occurring, and her mother’s too-late change of heart, was devastating for fans, who earlier this season swooned over a scene where the typically stoic Stannis reassured his daughter of his love.

Game of Thrones showrunner Dan Weiss spoke to EW about the sequence, and how it ties the show’s exploration of fanaticism. “Horrible things happening to people in this show, and this is one that we thought was entirely [narratively] justified,” Weiss said. “It was set-up by the predicament that Stannis was in. It will be awful to see, but it’s supposed to be awful.”

When I asked Weiss the question that fans surely have tonight: “How could you do that to Shireen?” Weiss philosophically noted you could “flip that question” into a larger debate about how we’re all highly selective about which characters deserve our empathy. Stannis has been burning people alive for seemingly trivial reasons since season 2, yet we’ve still tended to regard him as a great leader—at least, by Westeros standards.

“It’s like a two-tiered system,” he noted. “If a superhero knocks over a building and there are 5,000 people in the building that we can presume are now dead, does it matter? Because they’re not people we know. But if one dog we like gets run over by a car, it’s the worst thing we’ve we’ve ever seen. I totally understand where that visceral reaction comes from. I have that same reaction. There’s also something shitty about that. So instead of saying, ‘How could you do this to somebody you know and care about?’ maybe when it’s happening to somebody we don’t know so well, maybe then it should hit us all a bit harder.”

Which is exactly the sort of morality questions that Thrones so often stimulates. Like after the brutal Red Wedding season 3, Tywin Lannister asked whether killing a wedding party of characters we love was wrong if by doing so it ends a war and saves thousands of anonymous lives?

On HBO’s behind-the-scenes video (below), fellow showrunner David Benioff added that A Song of Ice and Fire author George R.R. Martin told producers about this twist (suggesting this Shireen’s death will happen in an upcoming book, as well). “It was one of those moments where I remember looking at Dan and [thinking] that’s so horrible and so good in a story sense,” Benioff said. “The very first time we saw Stannis and Melisandre, they were burning people alive on the beaches of Dragonstone and it’s really all come to this. There’s been so much talk of king’s blood, and the power of king’s blood, and it all leads ultimately, fatally, to Shireen’s sacrifice, and it’s one of the most horrible moments we’ve shot … It’s obviously the hardest choice he’s ever made in his life and for Stannis it comes down to ambition versus familial love and for Stannis and for Stannis sadly that choice is ambition.”

Weiss also added that religious fanaticism in Stannis’ camp adds another level to the Shireen murder, one that could provides some insight into our own world.

“People who watch Game of Thrones don’t see the same world as Stannis and Melisandre,” Weiss said. “To those characters, magic is real and it works. That’s something fun about this genre because when magic is real and you can see it with your own eyes in the show, it gives you a window into the heads of people who believe irrational things on faith. I can’t really get my head around how those people operate in our world, as they’re so completely disconnected from the way I process the world. So in a strange way, fantasy is a cock-eyed window into the heads of people who would do something terrible for an irrational reason.”
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PostSubject: Re: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:28 pm

Well, episode 5x09 indeed leaves me behind pretty upset and lost ... Not only was it disgusting to watch how Stannis and his wife (a bit late for her to get cold feet!) let that crazy b­itch Melisandre murder Shireen. What a s­hitload of crap of Stannis also about fate and what a man has to do, even though he hates it ... And all of his "brave" soldiers just stood and watched.
Actually Stannis is an ass without spine, who sells his soul to a blood-thirsty, crazy cult just for his ambition for power and the Iron Throne. He's absolutely unworthy and beyond redemption now.
The question is, why does a show like GoT need those extremely shocking and disgusting elements. Again I'm starting to ask myself, why I watch this show. Is this really the kind of entertainment I want to spend time for? I do have my doubts, especially because the murder of Shireen was so shocking, that it kept kind of distracting me during the following story with Dany in the arena and the return of Drogon. Thus Dany's part of the ep for me was kind of lost, because I couldn't concentrate on it and enjoy it as much as I usually would have ...
Last but not least at the end I was even disappointed, that the mighty, awe-inspiring Drogon almost seemed to be put down by some spears (seriously????), so that Dany had to rescue him by flying away with him, leaving behind all her loyal guys ... or should we hope she'll return with the other two dragons to wipe out the Harpies once and for all? Ok, that might be acceptable ... but will it actually happen??
So all in all, I'm kind of lost with this ep and the excitement after Hardhome is almost gone again ... :-(
By now I only spent some minutes on reading about reactions, but I agree with that article mostly:

Game of Thrones Episode 9: Stannis and Melisandre Should Burn in H­ell

It also looks like that all this was filmed directly due to Martin, who probably will have Shireen burned too in his yet-to-release book. The problem is (as I read), that in the books Shireen, her mother and Melisandre so far are left behind at Castle Black, when Stannis went out to attack the Boltons. So in the TV show Stannis now became the murderer of his own daughter, whereas in the books this still could be Melisandre's work without Stannis actively involved, what would make a huge difference for the moral standing of his character ... since I don't plan to read any of the books, maybe someday you can tell me, how Martin tried to clean up that mess ...

Game of Thrones just delivered a huge shock, and it was due to George R.R. Martin himself
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PostSubject: Re: GoT S5 E9 "The Dance of Dragons"   Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:47 pm

Well in GRRM'S defense, this did start out as a novel, and not a TV show. It's a pretty grim story, but it has a lot of great characters, sorry you aren't enjoying it, it's my favorite show on TV, but that has a lot to do with the books, I've been reading them for 12 years. It's a little disappointing to know I am going to see the end before I read it but that us GRRM'S fault.
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